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Hi Arthur:

For my quiet times I've been reading I/II Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. It's been good to learn from the lives of each of the kings and I find myself looking through MacArthur's notes to understand what's going on. This morning I read about King Asa of Judah (II Chron 14-16). He is faithful to the Lord, removing many of the idols, exercising reforms, and bringing treasure back to the temple. But after 35 years he begins to make some bad choices. He trusts in the King of Syria instead of God and he mistreats a prophet that God sends to bring rebuke. Eventually Asa becomes diseased and dies.

I was just wondering how you make sense of the lives of some of these kings. Many of the kings were evil in God's sight so it makes sense for God to judge them when they die. And it makes sense that the kings that were faithful or repented like Josiah or Hezekiah would be saved by their faith in the Lord. But what about those kings that were in between who didn't remove the high places or were like Asa who ended his life in shame? I have the same problem with Gideon and even Solomon (although I know that he repents in Ecclesiastes). Does the ungodly behavior mean that they fell away and lost their salvation?

The bible doesn't speak explicitly about the fate of these kings so I know that there may not be a certain answer. But I was just curious how you or Sandra make sense of it and whether or not that has certain implications for us who now have Christ as our advocate.

It's not an urgent question so there's no need to rush. I just wanted to email you while it was still fresh in my mind. I hope things are well.

For the kings who ended their lives in shame, I know how you feel, and even feel that way somewhat about David too. That's probably why Joseph and Daniel are probably my two favorites.

A biblical interpretation principle comes to mind here, and that is that historical narratives should always be interpreted in light of the didactic (the clear explicit teaching of Scripture). The clear teaching of Scripture, as you know, is that His children do not lose their salvation, for it's not really theirs to lose (and neither is it theirs to earn).

You ask, "Does the ungodly behavior mean that they fell away and lost their salvation?" Ungodly behavior doesn't mean they lost their salvation any more than good behavior means that they earned it. Our behavior is fruit, not root. Ungodly behavior (fruit) speaks to a bad root.

Jesus says that God's will (John 6:39) is that He will not lose any of the people God gave Him to save, but will raise them up on the last day. It's really up to Jesus to keep His people in His flock and to discipline those He needs to.

We also know that He will be faithful to complete the good work of justification, sanctification, and glorification that He begins in all believers (Phil. 1:6), paupers or kings alike.

However, that doesn't mean that He won't allow His people to struggle and "dig their own grave" (in the temporal sense) if they're being really stubborn and/or unwise. He doesn't suspend the spiritual "laws of gravity" for those whose flesh is still temporarily dominant.

In fact, the Scripture says that God does sometimes take away the life of a believer who has been sinning in order to stop them from sinning further. (1Cor. 5:5)

Now as for who the real believers are, that's another discussion. We know that though Christians still sin, the Holy Spirit is growing and changing their lives. I do not believe in "carnal Christianity"; that is, that Christians can "accept Christ" and continue to live unchanged lives, still fully in their flesh. It's not possible to have the Holy Spirit residing in you and you don't have a changed life.

So, for those kings whose lives ended in question, I'd say

1. that's a shame. I want there to be no doubt of who I loved and served and of where I'm going when the Lord takes my life;

2. it's possible they were never Christians and it showed; but the Lord used them any way and they obeyed the Lord's political and governmental directives without having saving faith;

3. it's possible they had saving faith but were in such positions of power and prestige that the temptations to self-exaltation (and all the company that keeps), etc. that they struggled to walk straight; so the Lord dealt with them and took them home.

4. what's not possible is that they were true Christians who fully and finally turned from the Lord and lost their salvation; they either never had it or they had it and the Lord disciplined them (Heb. 12)

I don't know if that's what you were looking for, but I hope it helps. Let me know what you think or if I missed your question altogether.

Blessings,

Arthur

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